Comments for Dexterity Unlimited - Articles http://www.dexterityunlimited.com/articles Dexterity Unlimited presents articles about web design and web site architecture. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:23:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc Comment on Get rid of those YouTube EMBED tags by Dan Johnson http://www.dexterityunlimited.com/articles/get-rid-of-those-youtube-embed-tags/6/#comment-9 Dan Johnson Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:47:22 +0000 http://www.dexterityunlimited.com/articles/?p=6#comment-9 Andy Beard said:<blockquote>Have you tested the valid code with various feed readers and additional sites such as Myspace, forums etc?</blockquote> Do you mean displaying the video within the feed reader? I suppose it depends on the multimedia functions built into the reader. I'm using Opera for reading my feeds, so there's no problem there. I think perhaps we should test this. The code <em>was</em> a bit difficult to get to render properly in WordPress: I ended up making the post nearly all one single line of text in order to get the formatting to stay the way I wanted. Myspace videos seem to use nearly the same code in their videos. I haven't tested one yet. Andy Beard said:
Have you tested the valid code with various feed readers and additional sites such as Myspace, forums etc?

Do you mean displaying the video within the feed reader? I suppose it depends on the multimedia functions built into the reader. I’m using Opera for reading my feeds, so there’s no problem there. I think perhaps we should test this.
The code was a bit difficult to get to render properly in WordPress: I ended up making the post nearly all one single line of text in order to get the formatting to stay the way I wanted.
Myspace videos seem to use nearly the same code in their videos. I haven’t tested one yet.

]]> Comment on Get rid of those YouTube EMBED tags by Andy Beard http://www.dexterityunlimited.com/articles/get-rid-of-those-youtube-embed-tags/6/#comment-8 Andy Beard Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:57:10 +0000 http://www.dexterityunlimited.com/articles/?p=6#comment-8 Have you tested the valid code with various feed readers and additional sites such as Myspace, forums etc? Have you tested the valid code with various feed readers and additional sites such as Myspace, forums etc?

]]> Comment on Get rid of those YouTube EMBED tags by Dan Johnson http://www.dexterityunlimited.com/articles/get-rid-of-those-youtube-embed-tags/6/#comment-7 Dan Johnson Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:19:26 +0000 http://www.dexterityunlimited.com/articles/?p=6#comment-7 Mel: Great questions regarding the accessibility of the multimedia objects. I've found several resources for information about this, but most of it seems to be at least a couple years old. One of the better is the cached version of a <a href="http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:9hAkez4QjhoJ:weblogs.macromedia.com/accessibility/archives/2005/08/in_search_of_a.cfm+%2Baccessibility+%2Bembed+%2Bobject+%2Bvalidate&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">Macromedia Accessibility Blog</a> which tests several embedded object techniques on a variety of browsers (including Firefox 1.0.4, JAWS 6.20.065, etc.). Perhaps this issue needs to be revisited with additional testing accross platforms/browsers/techniques. There is a good <a href="http://www.webaim.org/techniques/flash/techniques.php" rel="nofollow">article on Accessible Flash techniques</a> at WebAIM. What about the accessibility of YouTube's Flash object itself? Posting cross-site objects can be very problematic for accessibility. I think hosting the video on your own site gives you the most control, but how many of us can afford the bandwidth associated with that? Mel:
Great questions regarding the accessibility of the multimedia objects. I’ve found several resources for information about this, but most of it seems to be at least a couple years old. One of the better is the cached version of a Macromedia Accessibility Blog which tests several embedded object techniques on a variety of browsers (including Firefox 1.0.4, JAWS 6.20.065, etc.). Perhaps this issue needs to be revisited with additional testing accross platforms/browsers/techniques. There is a good article on Accessible Flash techniques at WebAIM.
What about the accessibility of YouTube’s Flash object itself? Posting cross-site objects can be very problematic for accessibility. I think hosting the video on your own site gives you the most control, but how many of us can afford the bandwidth associated with that?

]]> Comment on Get rid of those YouTube EMBED tags by Dan Johnson http://www.dexterityunlimited.com/articles/get-rid-of-those-youtube-embed-tags/6/#comment-6 Dan Johnson Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:48:05 +0000 http://www.dexterityunlimited.com/articles/?p=6#comment-6 Dave said:<blockquote>So what?<br /><br />Who uses XHTML anyway? EMBED is valid in HTML, and will continue to be valid for a very long time.</blockquote> Actually, the <code>EMBED</code> tag has never been a part of the HTML specifications, whether HTML 4.01 or XHTML. It is proposed as part of the HTML 5 specs, but I don't even want to think about getting into that mess. Dave said:
So what?

Who uses XHTML anyway? EMBED is valid in HTML, and will continue to be valid for a very long time.

Actually, the EMBED tag has never been a part of the HTML specifications, whether HTML 4.01 or XHTML. It is proposed as part of the HTML 5 specs, but I don’t even want to think about getting into that mess.

]]> Comment on Get rid of those YouTube EMBED tags by Dave http://www.dexterityunlimited.com/articles/get-rid-of-those-youtube-embed-tags/6/#comment-5 Dave Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:39:32 +0000 http://www.dexterityunlimited.com/articles/?p=6#comment-5 So what? Who uses XHTML anyway? EMBED is valid in HTML, and will continue to be valid for a very long time. So what?

Who uses XHTML anyway? EMBED is valid in HTML, and will continue to be valid for a very long time.

]]> Comment on Get rid of those YouTube EMBED tags by Mel Pedley http://www.dexterityunlimited.com/articles/get-rid-of-those-youtube-embed-tags/6/#comment-4 Mel Pedley Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:11:24 +0000 http://www.dexterityunlimited.com/articles/?p=6#comment-4 I agree completely with your observation that EMBED is not part of either the HTML 4.01 or XHTML 1.0 standard. However (and as far as I am aware), user testing has shown that EMBED is currently the most accessible way of presenting certain multimedia objects - including videos. as such, I believe its usage can be considered if it is in the best interest of accessibility or usability. YouTube isn't, itself, the best example of presenting videos in an accessible manner but, outside of YouTube, I think developers need to be aware that, in this particular situation, following standards blindly may not be best option. Have you tested your solution for access via keyboard? Or screen reader software? Just a thought... I agree completely with your observation that EMBED is not part of either the HTML 4.01 or XHTML 1.0 standard. However (and as far as I am aware), user testing has shown that EMBED is currently the most accessible way of presenting certain multimedia objects - including videos. as such, I believe its usage can be considered if it is in the best interest of accessibility or usability. YouTube isn’t, itself, the best example of presenting videos in an accessible manner but, outside of YouTube, I think developers need to be aware that, in this particular situation, following standards blindly may not be best option.

Have you tested your solution for access via keyboard? Or screen reader software?

Just a thought…

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